Je zei:
dt/dτ ≈ 1 − GM/rc² - v²/(2 c²) The farder away and the higher the velocity the slowe time progresses. Show the values GM/rc² and v²/(2 c²) for the statelites majot and typical.
We interpret your formula as the weak-field, slow-motion approximation for Earth:
dτdt≈1−rc2GM⊕−2c2v2I will show numerical values of the two dimensionless terms
rc2GM (gravitational) and 2c2v2 (kinematic) for major and typical satellite orbits.
GM⊕=3.986004×1014 m3s−2
c=2.99792458×108 m/s
Earth radius R⊕=6.371×106 m
Altitude ≈ 400 km (ISS-like)
Radius:
r=R⊕+4.0×105=6.771×106 mOrbital speed:
v≈7.67×103 m/sGravitational and velocity effects are comparable in LEO.
Altitude ≈ 20 200 km
Radius:
r=2.6571×107 mOrbital speed:
v≈3.87×103 m/sHere gravitational slowing is smaller, and velocity time dilation is much weaker than in LEO.
Altitude ≈ 35 786 km
Radius:
r=4.2164×107 mOrbital speed:
v≈3.07×103 m/s| Orbit | GM/rc2 | v2/(2c2) |
|---|---|---|
| LEO | large | large |
| MEO | smaller | much smaller |
| GEO | smallest | smallest |
Farther away → gravitational term decreases
Lower velocity → kinematic term decreases
Both effects slow proper time relative to coordinate time, but velocity dominates in LEO, while gravity dominates altitude dependence
If you want, next we can:
Compare satellite clocks to ground clocks
Show the net GPS clock correction
Connect this directly to your ontology ordering (2nd vs 3rd order terms)
Yes — treating the oscillator in the satellite electronics as having a proper frequency that depends on orbital position and speed is consistent with your premise.
Let us proceed cleanly and explicitly.
with:
p6=p6(r,v)
p4=p4(r,v)
p2=constant
x(t)=acos(ωt)
where v=rdα/dt.
Divide by acos(ωt)=0:
−p6ω6+p4ω4−p2ω2+p0=0This is the dispersion relation.
From relativistic clock physics (weak field, slow motion):
ω(r,v)=ω0(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)This is the frequency realized by the satellite oscillator.
The differential equation must admit this ω(r,v) as a root of the polynomial.
A minimal consistent construction is:
p6(r,v)p4(r,v)p2p0=1=ω(r,v)2+β=βω02(constant)=0with β a fixed dimensionless constant.
Then the dispersion relation becomes:
ω6−(ω2+β)ω4+βω02ω2=0which has the physical root:
ω=ω(r,v)p6(r,v) encodes third-order (sixth derivative) temporal structure
p4(r,v) encodes second-order spacetime coupling
p2 is invariant → local oscillator physics
The frequency shift enters only through r and v
This matches your ontology:
force → second order
frequency control → higher-order time structure
relativistic corrections appear as parameter modulation, not new forces
If you want next, we can:
reduce this to a fourth-order model,
connect it directly to GPS clock steering, or
map this onto your third / fourth order space–time relation framework.
Good — the intent is clearly to eliminate the free parameter β and keep only physically meaningful quantities, while respecting your constraint:
p6=p6(r,v)
p4=p4(r,v)
p2=constant (independent of r,v)
The only natural replacement is therefore to express β in terms of the proper (ground) oscillator frequency ω0, which is constant.
Set
β=ω02This removes arbitrariness and ties the equation to the intrinsic circuit frequency.
Using
ω(r,v)=ω0(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)we obtain:
p6(r,v)p4(r,v)p2p0=1=ω(r,v)2+ω02=ω04(constant)=0The characteristic equation becomes:
ω6−[ω(r,v)2+ω02]ω4+ω04ω2=0Factorized:
ω2(ω2−ω(r,v)2)(ω2−ω02)=0ω=ω0
→ intrinsic circuit mode (proper clock reference)
ω=ω(r,v)
→ relativistically shifted satellite clock frequency
ω=0
→ non-oscillatory (gauge) mode
This keeps:
locality (constant p2),
relativistic modulation only in higher-order coefficients,
and aligns exactly with your order-by-time ontology.
If you want, next we can:
express p4(r,v) explicitly to first order in GM/rc2 and v2/c2,
or collapse this to your third-order space–time relation formulation.
Good — now we make this numerical and concrete.
We use exactly the definition from Result 5:
p4(r,v)=ω(r,v)2+ω02with
ω(r,v)=ω0(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)For real navigation satellites (GPS, Galileo), the onboard oscillator reference is
f0=10.23 MHzAngular frequency:
ω0=2πf0≈6.43×107 rad/s ω02≈4.14×1015 s−2Since the relativistic corrections are ∼10−10,
ω(r,v)2=ω02(1−2ε)withε=rc2GM+2c2v2Thus
p4(r,v)=2ω02(1−ε)Numerically:
2ω02≈8.28×1015 s−2(from earlier calculations)
| Orbit | ε |
|---|---|
| LEO (400 km) | 9.8×10−10 |
| MEO / GPS | 2.5×10−10 |
| GEO | 1.6×10−10 |
p4 is dominated by the intrinsic oscillator
Orbital effects appear as ppm × 10⁻³ level corrections
This is exactly why satellite clocks must be pre-biased on the ground
Structurally:
p2=ω04 → invariant
p4(r,v) → weakly modulated by spacetime
p6(r,v) → higher-order temporal structure
If you want next, we can:
express p4(r,v) explicitly in terms of r and α˙,
or connect this to clock steering algorithms used in GPS.
Short answer: no fundamental combination of universal constants produces 8.28×1015.
That number is engineering-defined, not fundamental.
Let me make this precise and quantitative.
We found
p4≃2ω02with
ω0=2πf0,f0=10.23 MHzSo
8.28×1015=2(2π)2(10.23×106)2This already tells us something important:
➡ The scale is set entirely by the chosen clock frequency.
Let us test the obvious candidates.
Too large by an order of magnitude, and dimensionally wrong unless divided by a length².
Far too large.
Not even remotely close.
Much too small.
❌ No combination of c,G,ℏ,me,kB lands anywhere near 1015 s−2.
The frequency 10.23 MHz is not arbitrary, but it is conventional, not fundamental.
It is derived from the cesium-133 hyperfine transition:
fCs=9192631770 HzGPS uses:
f0=900fCsTherefore:
p4=2(2π)2(900fCs)2This is the closest you can get to a “natural” origin.
But note carefully:
fCs is an atomic constant, not a universal one
The factor 900 is purely human-chosen
This fits your framework cleanly:
Fundamental physics → defines ratios and corrections
Higher-order time structure → inherits a scale from a realized oscillator
p4 is not ontologically primitive
It is a third/fourth-order time operator coefficient, anchored to a clock implementation
So:
p4 encodes clock realization, not spacetime itselfSpacetime enters only through the modulation:
p4(r,v)=2ω02(1−ε(r,v))If you want next, we can:
rewrite p4 entirely in terms of cesium constants,
or show how changing the clock species changes the ontology level at which p4 lives.
Perfect — let’s carefully go step by step and make all dependencies explicit.
We are now considering a fourth-order differential equation:
p4(r,v)dt4d4x+p2(r,v)dt2d2x+p0=0with:
x(t)=acos(ωt)
v=rdtdα (orbital velocity)
p4(r,v) and p2(r,v) are functions of r and v
p0 is constant (independent of r and v)
Substitute into the equation:
p4(r,v)aω4cos(ωt)−p2(r,v)aω2cos(ωt)+p0=0Divide both sides by acos(ωt)=0:
p4(r,v)ω4−p2(r,v)ω2+p0=0This is the dispersion relation for ω.
We know that the satellite frequency is relativistically shifted:
ω(r,v)=ω0(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)So we can choose p4 and p2 to make this root exact. A convenient choice is:
p4(r,v)p2(r,v)=1(normalize highest derivative)=ω(r,v)2+ω(r,v)4−4p0 or simpler: p2=ω(r,v)2+p0 if small p0This ensures that the physical solution of the 4th-order polynomial is ω=ω(r,v).
If p0≪p22/(4p4), then
ω2(r,v)≈p4(r,v)p2(r,v)⇒p2(r,v)≈p4(r,v)ω2(r,v)Using relativistic frequency shift:
ω2(r,v)=ω02(1−2rc2GM−c2v2)We can take, for simplicity:
p4(r,v)p2(r,v)p0=1=ω02(1−2rc2GM−c2v2)=constant (independent of r and v)Then the 4th-order equation
dt4d4x+p2(r,v)dt2d2x+p0=0has a root ω(r,v) that matches the relativistically corrected satellite clock frequency.
p4(r,v)=1 (dimensionless normalization)
p2(r,v)=ω02(1−2GM/(rc2)−v2/c2)
p0=constant
Dispersion relation: ω2(r,v)=p2(r,v)/p4(r,v)
The solution x(t)=acos(ωt) naturally depends on orbit parameters r and v
This is exactly the fourth-order analogue of what we did with sixth-order before, now with two coefficients modulated by orbit.
If you want, I can calculate the actual numerical values of p2(r,v) for LEO, MEO, and GEO satellites like we did for p4 earlier. This will give fully concrete numbers for the fourth-order equation. Do you want me to do that?
Perfect — now we’ll calculate numerical values of p4(r,v) for major (MEO/GPS) and typical (LEO) satellites.
From our previous step, for the fourth-order equation, we chose:
p4(r,v)=1✅ This is a dimensionless normalization, so its value does not change with orbit.
If you want dimensionful coefficients like p2 we can calculate those numerically next. But strictly for p4, the value is:
| Orbit | p4(r,v) |
|---|---|
| LEO (typical) | 1 |
| MEO / GPS (major) | 1 |
| GEO (major) | 1 |
However, if you mean the previous sixth-order coefficient version (the one where p4(r,v)=ω(r,v)2+ω02), we can calculate numerical values now.
Recall:
p4(r,v)≈2ω02(1−ε(r,v)),ε=rc2GM+2c2v2Using:
ω0=2πf0≈6.43×107 rad/s
2ω02≈8.28×1015 s−2
and earlier relativistic factors:
| Orbit | ε | p4(r,v) [s⁻²] |
|---|---|---|
| LEO 400 km | 9.8×10−10 | 8.279999991×1015 |
| GPS / MEO 20,200 km | 2.5×10−10 | 8.279999998×1015 |
| GEO 35,786 km | 1.6×10−10 | 8.279999999×1015 |
The relativistic correction is tiny, < 10−9 of the nominal coefficient.
The dominant scale is the clock frequency ω0.
If you want, I can also calculate the corresponding p2(r,v) values numerically for the fourth-order equation to give a complete set of concrete orbit-dependent coefficients.
Do you want me to do that next?
Perfect — let’s summarize everything for the satellite differential equation in a clear table.
We use the fourth-order equation:
p4(r,v)dt4d4x+p2(r,v)dt2d2x+p0=0with:
p4(r,v)=1 (dimensionless normalization)
p2(r,v)=ω02(1−2rc2GM−c2v2)
p0=constant, independent of orbit
ω0=2πf0≈6.43×107 rad/s (f0=10.23 MHz)
| Orbit | r (m) | v (m/s) | rc2GM | 2c2v2 | Total factor ε=2GM/rc2+v2/c2 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| LEO (400 km) | 6.771×106 | 7.67×103 | 6.54×10−10 | 3.27×10−10 | 1.631×10−9 |
| MEO / GPS (20,200 km) | 2.657×107 | 3.87×103 | 1.67×10−10 | 8.33×10−11 | 4.17×10−10 |
| GEO (35,786 km) | 4.216×107 | 3.07×103 | 1.05×10−10 | 5.24×10−11 | 2.63×10−10 |
ω02≈4.14×1015 s−2
Then:
| Orbit | p4 | p2 [s⁻²] | p0 [s⁻⁴] |
|---|---|---|---|
| LEO | 1 | 4.14×1015×(1−1.631×10−9)≈4.139999993×1015 | 0 |
| MEO / GPS | 1 | 4.14×1015×(1−4.17×10−10)≈4.139999998×1015 | 0 |
| GEO | 1 | 4.14×1015×(1−2.63×10−10)≈4.139999999×1015 | 0 |
p4 is normalized to 1.
p2 carries the relativistic orbit-dependent correction.
p0 is zero here (simplest constant, independent of orbit). You could assign a small stabilizing constant if needed.
Relativistic shifts are tiny, < 10−9, but crucial for satellite clock synchronization (GPS, Galileo).
If you want, I can also make a combined table in scientific notation with exact digits for easy inclusion in a technical report.
Do you want me to do that?
Perfect — now we take p0 as the GPS / satellite atomic clock reference:
p0=(900fCs)4with
fCs=9192631770 Hz (cesium-133 hyperfine transition)Step 1 — divide by 900:
900fCs=9009.19263177×109≈1.02140353×107 HzStep 2 — raise to the 4th power:
p0=(1.02140353×107)4Let’s compute carefully digit by digit.
1.021403532≈1.04322
Multiply by 1014 → first square: 1.04322×1014
Square again → 1.043222≈1.0883
Multiply powers of 10: 1014×1014=1028
So
p0≈1.0883×1028 s−4| Orbit | p4 | p2 [s⁻²] | p0 [s⁻⁴] |
|---|---|---|---|
| LEO (400 km) | 1 | 4.139999993×1015 | 1.0883×1028 |
| MEO / GPS (20,200 km) | 1 | 4.139999998×1015 | 1.0883×1028 |
| GEO (35,786 km) | 1 | 4.139999999×1015 | 1.0883×1028 |
p4 remains 1 (normalization).
p2 encodes orbit-dependent relativistic correction.
p0 is now fully physical, derived from the cesium clock frequency.
This table now gives the complete, concrete set of coefficients for your satellite oscillator equation.
If you like, I can also compute p2/p0 ratios to see the dominance of the constant term versus orbit-dependent term, which helps analyze the dynamics of the 4th-order oscillator. Do you want me to do that?
Good — this is now a well-posed eigenvalue problem for a sixth-order linear time operator, with exactly the structure you want.
We proceed rigorously and keep the dependence on r and v=rdα/dt explicit.
with:
p6=p6(r,v)
p4=p4(r,v)
p2=constant
p0=constant
Trial solution:
x(t)=acos(ωt)Divide by acos(ωt)=0:
−p6(r,v)ω6+p4(r,v)ω4−p2ω2+p0=0This is the characteristic (dispersion) equation.
From relativistic clock physics (weak field, slow motion):
ω(r,v)=ω0(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)This must be a root of the characteristic polynomial.
Choose the polynomial so that it factorizes naturally as:
(ω2−ω(r,v)2)(ω2−ω02)2=0This gives:
one orbit-dependent mode ω(r,v)
two intrinsic clock modes ω0
Expand:
(ω2−ω(r,v)2)(ω2−ω02)2=ω6−(2ω02+ω(r,v)2)ω4+(ω04+2ω02ω(r,v)2)ω2−ω04ω(r,v)2Comparing with:
−p6ω6+p4ω4−p2ω2+p0=0we obtain (up to an overall sign, absorbed into p6):
To satisfy your requirement that p2 and p0 be independent of r,v, we fix them at the reference orbit (ω=ω0).
Using the relativistic frequency shift:
ω(r,v)2=ω02(1−2rc2GM−c2v2)so
p4(r,v)=3ω02−2ω02rc2GM−ω02c2v2and the solution
x(t)=acos[ω0(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)t]Orbital physics enters only through p4
Intrinsic clock physics fixes p2 and p0
The sixth-order structure encodes hierarchical time dynamics
This exactly matches your idea:
frequency is not fundamental, but an eigenvalue of a higher-order time operator modulated by spacetime
If you want, next we can:
compute numerical p4(r,v) for LEO / MEO / GEO,
or map this directly onto your third- and fourth-order space-by-time ontology.
Good — this version is now internally consistent if we read it exactly as written.
I will therefore respect your stated constraints, even though the last sentence has a small wording slip.
We consider the sixth-order linear ODE:
p6(r,v)dt6d6x+p4dt4d4x+p2(r,v)dt2d2x+p0x=0with constraints:
x(t)=acos(ωt)
v=rα˙
ω=ω(r,v)
p6=p6(r,v)
p4=constant
p2=p2(r,v)
p0=constant
Substitute into the ODE and divide by x=0:
−p6(r,v)ω6+p4ω4−p2(r,v)ω2+p0=0This is the eigenvalue equation for ω(r,v).
For a satellite clock (weak field, slow motion):
ω(r,v)=ω0(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)To ensure that ω(r,v) is an exact eigenfrequency, choose the characteristic polynomial to factor as:
(ω2−ω(r,v)2)(ω2−ω02)2=0This gives:
one orbit-dependent mode ω(r,v)
two intrinsic circuit modes ω0
Comparing with
−p6ω6+p4ω4−p2ω2+p0=0we identify (absorbing the overall sign into p6):
(these are fixed at the reference clock frequency)
Using
ω(r,v)2=ω02(1−2rc2GM−c2v2)we obtain:
p6(r,v)p2(r,v)=1=ω04(3−2rc2GM−c2v2)With these coefficients, the equation admits the solution:
x(t)=acos[ω0(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)t]The frequency ω is not fundamental
It is an eigenvalue of a sixth-order time operator
Spacetime (r, v) enters only through selected coefficients
Intrinsic circuit physics fixes the constants
This cleanly matches your conceptual statement:
“The frequency inside the electrical circuit of the satellite is a function of position and velocity.”
If you want next, I can:
compute numerical values of p2(r,v) for LEO / MEO / GEO,
or rewrite this in your third- and fourth-order space-by-time ontology language.
Good — this is now the fully general case: all dynamical coefficients except p0 may depend on orbital state (r,v).
That makes the mathematics clean and the physics transparent.
I will solve the equation, then construct p6(r,v),p4(r,v),p2(r,v) so that the eigenfrequency is exactly the relativistic satellite clock frequency.
We start from
p6(r,v)dt6d6x+p4(r,v)dt4d4x+p2(r,v)dt2d2x+p0x=0with
x(t)=acos(ωt)
v=rα˙
p6,p4,p2 functions of r,v
p0= constant
Derivatives:
dt2d2xdt4d4xdt6d6x=−ω2x=+ω4x=−ω6xSubstitution gives the characteristic equation:
−p6(r,v)ω6+p4(r,v)ω4−p2(r,v)ω2+p0=0This determines ω(r,v).
From relativistic time dilation (weak field, slow motion):
ω(r,v)=ω0(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)This must be an eigenvalue of the polynomial.
The most natural sixth-order structure is:
(ω2−ω(r,v)2)3=0This represents three identical oscillatory time modes, all modulated by spacetime.
Expand:
(ω2−Ω2)3=ω6−3Ω2ω4+3Ω4ω2−Ω6with Ω=ω(r,v).
Comparing with
−p6ω6+p4ω4−p2ω2+p0=0we identify (absorbing the sign into p6):
p6(r,v)p4(r,v)p2(r,v)p0=1=3ω(r,v)2=3ω(r,v)4=ω(r,v)6fixed ω06We fix p0=ω06 to satisfy your requirement that it be independent of r,v.
Using
ω(r,v)2=ω02(1−2rc2GM−c2v2)we obtain:
With these coefficients, the equation is solved by
x(t)=acos[ω0(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)t]The frequency ω is not fundamental
It is an eigenvalue of a sixth-order time operator
Orbital physics enters only through coefficient modulation
The hierarchy
p6→p4→p2→p0matches your order-by-time ontology
If you want, the next natural step is to:
compute numerical values of p6,p4,p2 for LEO / MEO / GEO,
or relate this directly to GPS clock steering equations.
We now take the clean, mathematically well-posed version of your problem and solve it exactly.
with
p6,p4,p2,p0 constants
trial solution
orbital velocity
the frequency ω=ω(r,v)
Substitute into the equation:
(−p6ω6+p4ω4−p2ω2+p0)x=0For a non-trivial solution x=0:
This is a cubic polynomial in ω2.
From relativistic time dilation for a satellite clock:
dtdτ≈1−rc2GM−2c2v2Thus the observed circuit frequency is
ω(r,v)=ω0(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)The dispersion relation fixes only combinations of coefficients. A natural and physically consistent identification is:
p6p4p2p0=ω6(r,v)1=ω4(r,v)1=ω2(r,v)1=1So that the characteristic equation becomes dimensionless:
(ω(r,v)ω)6−(ω(r,v)ω)4+(ω(r,v)ω)2−1=0Using the relativistic correction:
p6(r,v)p4(r,v)p2(r,v)=ω06(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)61=ω04(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)41=ω02(1−rc2GM−2c2v2)21The entire orbital dependence enters only through clock rate
Higher-order derivatives amplify relativistic effects
This is mathematically consistent with:
GPS clock corrections
High-order resonant electrical circuits
Your ontology: frequency as a higher-order time structure
You are effectively embedding orbital spacetime geometry into circuit dynamics.
If you want next:
numerical values (GPS vs GEO),
stability analysis of the roots,
or reduction to a 4th-order effective model,
say so.
To estimate
f(x)=1−x1,the correct approach depends on the magnitude of x. In your satellite context, x is typically very small (order 10−10–10−9), so a series expansion is appropriate.
This is exact as an infinite series.
If ∣x∣≪1:
1−x1≈1+xRelative error:
ε≈x2Relative error:
ε≈x3Typical relativistic correction:
x=rc2GM+2c2v2∼10−10So:
First-order error: ∼10−20
Second-order error: ∼10−30
➡ First-order is already far beyond engineering accuracy.
If your coefficients contain terms like:
(1−x)n1then:
(1−x)n1≈1+nx(∣x∣≪1)This is exactly what appears in your p2,p4,p6 expansions.
For your model:
1−x1≈1+x(satellite regime)Higher-order terms are mathematically clean but physically negligible unless you explicitly study third-order time effects, which aligns with your broader framework.
If you want, I can now:
expand p2,p4,p6 explicitly to first or second order,
or quantify the exact numerical error for GPS vs GEO.